Posted by
August 8, 2012
Date Submitted
psychonaut83
Description
Ok picked these up from my usual guy
pill is white with grey looking speckles all over it and when put in light you can see what looks like a shiny silver glitter.
Logo is a lower case e and is very prominent on each pill and the logo side is domed and bottom is flat with a very faint bevel.
Pill looks fat as but the measurements seem to be that of an average barrel shaped pill.
Smell is a quite strong chemical pill.
Taste is proper rank wen i licked one.
also did a test result and went slightly green on impact then went straight to a light purple with bubbling throughout test substance.
Pill is very smooth and seems firm but one of them has a decent sized chunk worn off.
according to the colour chart that came with the tester it indicates MDA and possibly a little speed. on the colour chart
MDMA goes blue,purple black and MDA goes red, purple and
amphets olive green,
PMA goes green red brown and Ketamine goes effervesence dark orange to brown.
this test went to green(hardly noticeable) to purple and it had effervesence as it went purple. i am guessing there may even bee some Ket in these because of the effervesnce.
A friend has tried them and he rates them about the same as the first Blue loui vuittons. I rated those first blue louis well.
The test result is similar to that of the one i supplied with the first blue louis.
pill is white with grey looking speckles all over it and when put in light you can see what looks like a shiny silver glitter.
Logo is a lower case e and is very prominent on each pill and the logo side is domed and bottom is flat with a very faint bevel.
Pill looks fat as but the measurements seem to be that of an average barrel shaped pill.
Smell is a quite strong chemical pill.
Taste is proper rank wen i licked one.
also did a test result and went slightly green on impact then went straight to a light purple with bubbling throughout test substance.
Pill is very smooth and seems firm but one of them has a decent sized chunk worn off.
according to the colour chart that came with the tester it indicates MDA and possibly a little speed. on the colour chart
MDMA goes blue,purple black and MDA goes red, purple and
amphets olive green,
PMA goes green red brown and Ketamine goes effervesence dark orange to brown.
this test went to green(hardly noticeable) to purple and it had effervesence as it went purple. i am guessing there may even bee some Ket in these because of the effervesnce.
A friend has tried them and he rates them about the same as the first Blue loui vuittons. I rated those first blue louis well.
The test result is similar to that of the one i supplied with the first blue louis.
Last Update
September 4, 2012
Logo
Lowercase e
Colour
What with dark speckles
Shape
Round
Height
6.0 mm
Width
7.0 mm
Texture
Firm slightly chalky
Edges
Very faint bevel on bottom
Suspected Contents
Unknown
Rating
Tested Only
Warning
Yes
Tested
Yes
Mandelin Reagent
Other - Please see description
Consumed
No
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40 Comments
psychonaut83 (Moderator)
I put the warning because of the possible chance they may have some K in them.will add a user report on saturday.
August 8, 2012, 12:19 pm GMTserendipity123 (member since April 25, 2010)
Hey psychonaut I tested these the other day on the e2 and there were zero signs of md my reactions were that of a ketamine like substance!!! They didn't test black so I told the guy to take his shit n not to come back!!! I suggest you do the same champ! Absolute garbage also heard from a mate these e's been making people sick so peeps for harm reduction stay away from this junk. Let's hope word gets out fast about this poisonous junk and the dicks pressing and distributing this shit get stuck with them and busted!!!
August 8, 2012, 1:28 pm GMTdingalong420 (member since February 2, 2011)
any chance that these and the blue LV's contain methoxetamine
August 9, 2012, 11:38 am GMTpsychonaut83 (Moderator)
Couldn't tell you mate as I have never tried it.
August 9, 2012, 9:28 pm GMTblacksoe (member since August 9, 2012)
i Had two of these last night best pills, ive had since new years and i do them alot, recommend try getting your hands on these if you can, had alot of fun, i will definatly try getting these again, wish there were more like this around all the time
August 11, 2012, 2:26 am GMTserendipity123 (member since April 25, 2010)
@ blacksoe let me guess your someone who is now stuck with these garbage rounds? Best addition to PR is showing the date that a member joined, helps weed out the dealers! If you think these are good buddy you should try MDMA lol. That test result is pathetic and the results I got were just as bad! Seriously moderators blacksoe's comments should be deleted in the interest of harm reduction! If someone was to read his comment and purchase these because of what he has written there's a good chance they may be booking themselves in for a night or two in the emergency department!
August 11, 2012, 4:01 am GMTblacksoe (member since August 9, 2012)
@ serendipity, how about you stop assuming shit you fucking gronk, i actually bought two of these last night when i was out at some club, and i saw these reports and just wanted to give my report, because i thought they were really good and was off my head all night, you cocksucker, and i just made an account when i saw these reports you fucking faggot, you've been a member since april 25, 2010 showing that your a fucking junkie and obviously need to stop going on this site and get checked into a rehab, SO ANYONE OUT THERE PLEASE DONT LISTEN TO THIS FIEND, HE NEEDS LIKE 100 PILLS SHELVED UP HIS ASS TO EVEN FEEL ANYTHING.
August 11, 2012, 1:17 pm GMTelite (member since May 15, 2009)
These pills are ketamine based so depends what you're into i guess. I prefer good charging pills that make you want to dance and chat, i only had 1 of these pills last night and about 30-45mins later i was getting spaced out and then could tell my body didn't like it as wanted to throw up as did another mate. My tolerance is usually alright as take 5-6 decent roundies in a night (when i say decent i'm talking 1st batch of grey choppers from late last year etc), but these things just space you out and personally thought they were shit. But in saying that another mate loved it he was laughing and enjoyed being spaced/bit tripped out so might be good for some just drinking with mates at a party but no good for festivals or out clubbing in my opinion. Hopefully some good mdma roundies come out in time for the main party season as will be stocking up.
August 11, 2012, 3:34 pm GMTserendipity123 (member since April 25, 2010)
@ blacksoe Buddy first of all I'm a gal not a guy, second of all that's no way to speak to anyone however I'm guessing your angry because you've been exposed. Who knows maybe you really are telling the truth and you did pop a few of these and your anger management issues are a result of ingesting unknown substances into your body. Look mate this here is a harm reduction site not a place to abuse people and promote shitty pills! Remember fellow PR's if it don't test black take the bunk shit back!
August 12, 2012, 7:05 am GMTpsychonaut83 (Moderator)
Hey I actually tried them Saturday night after a gig. I'm not goin to do a user report coz I had a couple of MDMA pills at the gig so it won't be a elligable report.
August 13, 2012, 1:07 am GMTLet me start by sayin it's not a straight k based pill they have speed in them too this is my bases for this. Me and my mrs and 4 friends had them amongs the group was 2 females the pills were all crushed up and we had lines. I rated these pills as good even tho there isn't any md but if there is there is a small amount as the test result at the start had green and then went purple then brown. On the chart ketamine shows neither green or purple at all. So it's probs there to try and fool the tester plus they have a faint md smell.
We snorted these pills and they didn't really produce a ketamine feeling more of the socialness speed gives but the k would have stopped the bad feelings
Of speed like the jitteriness and paranoid tweaky effects. Out of 6 of us no one got sick or any negative effects at all. Ketamine reacts differently to everyone else with regards of nausea. Secondly if you eat ketamine it's gonna fuck with your guts. It's meant to be administered with either a syringe into you muscle or snort it. They aren't a strong dose of k because 4 pills were shared between 6 people and we didn't get to the K hole level. I'll change the results coz its not what I thought. People have to realise that these days pills don't have to have ecstasy, pills can have anything the producer wants to put in them however it's the sellers obligation to know and let others know what's in them and since they don't and want to tell everyone that it's MDMA that's why it's a good idea to test your pills, NOT after you buy them BUT before you buy them. How many people can honestly
Say they ask for ecstasy or MDMA when buying pills? I know I don't, I ask for
Pills or pingers. They aren't what I was after but I still enjoyed them
And because they weren't what I was after I got some MDMA based pills too and thought that these would be a good after party drug to share with my friends an they were.
I might add that my mrs had 1 MDMA pill at the rent we were at and when we got home she ate one of these and she was well chopped tingling
All over and ha eye wiggles so bad that I could physically see her eyes dancing in her sockets and watch them go cross eyed and if I touched her she would feel orgasmic so
Yeah they do have som md in them for sure but not sure on how much. I think that the batch may even be a mixed bag type of batch. Who knows but ketamine certainly doesn't cause eye wobbles or give euphoric rushes at all.
serendipity123 (member since April 25, 2010)
@ psychonaut, dude if you buy a pill anywhere in the world besides the pharmacy you should expect it to have MDMA, MDEA, or MDA full stop! Pressers get away with putting other shit in pills because people will buy in clubs without testing etc. If I wanted K I'd buy K if I wanted 2cb I'd buy 2cb if I want speed I'll buy speed but when I buy pills I expect them to be mdxx! Pressers who are pumping out this rubbish couldn't give two fucks if their product is safe or not all they care about is their back pocket. During the MD drought over the last couple of years did you see a decrease in pills? No way if anything there was an increase in all types of different stamps coming out. This is the pressers simply trying to make money with no active ingredient simply changing stamps and colours so the consumer would keep trying in hope that something good would come along!
August 13, 2012, 2:53 am GMTIn my opinion buy buying this rubbish all your doing is encouraging these pressers to make bigger profits buy pressing an inferior quality product! I wish a local presser would bulk up their product with triple the MD that they put in and charge accordingly.
Always peeps stay safe n always remember "if it don't test black take it back" lol
serendipity123 (member since April 25, 2010)
@ psychonaut check out bath salts dude maybe do a google search! You really should be careful what your taking but if your giving your girlfriend pills that you have no idea what's in them that's really bad! Maybe she had fun this time maybe the next time she has a psychotic episode! Not criticising mate just informing so take it or leave it.
August 13, 2012, 3:08 am GMTPLUR
psychonaut83 (Moderator)
Um did you read the report? Did you look at the photo of the result? I know what's in the pills. I did the test in front of the guy I got them from. I told him what was in the pills. I also told my mrs what is the pills. When I did this test as I have stated the test went gren briefly then went purple then went brown. This to me indicates there is speed along with k and some md substance. Now according to the chart that came with my e2 mandelin tester both MDMA and mad have a colour change of purple. None of us that's 6 people that consumed 4 pills between us and no one got sick. In fact 1 of them straight up said that he wasnt even feeling a keyamine buzz and he liked ketamine. I'm not a fucking idiot I don't go dropping multiple pills without knowing what is in them. There are certain substances that I won't touch. Ketamine is fine if you drink using ketamine your a fucking idiot. If you buy pills off random people in a club your a fuckin idiot. There is no rule book that says MDMA is the only black market chivalry that's aloud to be presse into a pill. Like I said if you r was the report even my comments (I'm sorry they are quite long) but I said it is the presses obligation to inform the folks buying the pills on what is in them. Also the person buying the bulk.
August 13, 2012, 6:31 am GMTI for one know that if I bought bulk pills I would test the pills with a full set of reagents to know what I am buying . A pill is just a form of vessel for the drug to be carried just like when you buy a trip it's not always LSD in a blotter it is many other chemicals. I'm not a dealer trying to hock off shit I'm a punter just like you are. And like I said I had these and some MDMA pills. I have a fuckin rediculously hight tolerance to drugs. Not just MDMA but pretty much every drug I have used I have a natural high tolerance to them this isn't a lie, this isn't dicksizing this a fact, it's a fucking curse because I have to spend at least 3 times the amount of money to get nicely high, not just a tickle but to actually get the full effect of a substance. I'm not having a go at you I'm just stating facts and observations. No fucking way would I ever put my girlfriend in has way. If you realy think ketamine is a dangerous drug then why do they administer it to people in hospitals? Via IV as a tranq? And yes they do this because I have had a friend anethisised in a Queensland hospital in the last 12 months. Yes I know what bath salts are and I'm aware of there dangers but these days people mix all kinds of drugs with alcohol which is bloody dangerous even with MDMA. I have been using chemical substances for 10 years and every drug I have taken I have researched, I own the books pihkal and tihkal, both written by alexandra shulgin the godfather of phone thylacines and tryptamines from first page to last including the recipes and his user reports including routes of administrations. I'm not fucking stupid and I don't drink alcohol much at all especially whilst doin drugs. I think I am very well educated on the matter of mind altering substances.
I'm not some junkie cunt that will use any drug put in front of him and I can swear on my girlfriends life who I love more than anything that I never received a drug from a random person or even friends In a club. and the reason I didn't take them out with me was because they were k. And the most certainly have speed in them 2 coz all of us were awake for all of Saturday and right through to Sunday Arvo untill about 4:00pm now you can't say that ketamine will do that even in small amounts considering you only new about 40-50 mg for your average person.
psychonaut83 (Moderator)
I have read about bath salts they are a category of drugs such as mdpv and also methylone and mephedrone are in that category. I have had mephedrone and I don't rate them as a drug, in fact they did fuck all. The stories of people chewin on people and shit well after you have been binging on a drug for a week straight you would be delirious and go mental too. I don't binge out on drugs at all like that. I like to stick to weekend use. I had a pretty bad meth habit a few years back but I got over it and now I rarely touch speed. It's a dirty fuckin drug to say the least. I'm not just some dude that eats anything put in front of him.
August 13, 2012, 6:37 am GMTpsychonaut83 (Moderator)
After sharing these 4 pills with my friends I might also like to add that I had the most insane rattle jaw going and I only get that from either coke or MDma/ mda These pills where consumed about 5 hours after the MDMA ones where do the MDMA pills had completely worn off. I also want to say that over the last 10 years I have never had a dealer con me into buying a pill. They have always stated what was in them. Even if it was something like dxm or something I was even told. Sometimes warne when they were very strong. I don't know what dealers everyone else goes to but mine liked having their customers come back to them.
August 13, 2012, 6:44 am GMTserendipity123 (member since April 25, 2010)
@psychonaut dude like I said I'm not having a go at you just trying to help ya! You said your mate rated these the same as the blue LV's is that the MD batch or the bunk batch??? Secondly in my opinion from my test results and your test result their is zero MD in these. Your gals eye wiggles could be attributed to combining the two but hey who knows but please stop claiming that there's any MD in these ok. If you want to see a real MD reaction check out the mitzi's report a couple down from this one!
August 13, 2012, 7:52 am GMTYou say you have an incredibly high tolerance sounds like you need a break, or maybe your speed habit you spoke about has left your receptors permanently damaged.
Have a break and eat lots of fresh food like blueberries, blackberries, raberries various types of different colored veggies the more the better, fresh grilled fish is great and raw nuts like almonds and sunflower seeds, exercise is also fantastic to help restore seratonin levels!
Anyways psychonaut goodluck n stay safe
And remember "if it doesn't turn black take it back"
psychonaut83 (Moderator)
I know all about of what you have written to replenish seretonin like i said i have researched drugs extensively. i have a natural tolerence to drugs. there hasnt been a substance that effects me off a dose like most other people that i come across aside from THC and smack ( wont touch it). nothing else can explain my partners eye wiggles and my chatter jaw. the mdma pills we had earlier were weak and if they did work they would have completely wore off by the time we had these pills. if the ones you had were straight Ketamine then the colour change would have gone from orange to brown with fizzing, the ones i had went green, purple, brown with fizzing. there is no purple or green with a ketamine reaction. im not trying to argue or hype these pills up, shit im not even going to do a user report because it would be against the guidelines. and besides i dont always want a straight MDMA pill, shit pills that contain MDMA are shit here in aus anyway, i like a variety thats why i test them before i buy them, as long as they dont have speed or DXM in them im usually a happy camper ( i can buy DXM from a chemist cheaper than a dealer) and i hate speed now, and i do go on breaks every couple of months and i eat healthier probably better than you. i dont eat any take away food, the only thing i dont eat from that list you made is fish because seafood makes me sick, so i reckon there might be a mixed press where the cook could have thrown the last of there MDMA into a mix of K. i dont know but they arent a straight ketamine pill. @ serendipity did you do a test? if so did you take a pic and can you throw one up here please?
August 13, 2012, 9:26 am GMTserendipity123 (member since April 25, 2010)
@ psycho yeah buddy did a test on the e2 didn't take a pic sorry but it fizzed a bit then went slowly went to brown which indicated that these pills contained a ketamine like substance. Once I saw that I said sorry not MD so no thanks and don't come back til you get something good!
August 13, 2012, 2:32 pm GMTThere's no MD in these if there was any MD even a very small amount the test would very slowly go purple may take a minute or two. With pills that have a decent amount of MD the test will go purple to black almost instantly.
Stay safe psycho
PLUR
serendipity123 (member since April 25, 2010)
@psycho you said yours went green then red then brown which indicates PMA so maybe these are PMA and not K but whatever is in them definitely no MD!
August 13, 2012, 2:42 pm GMTpsychonaut83 (Moderator)
I didn't say red I said green, purple, brown. Deffinately not PMA. I have had that and that is yuck. Anyways i dare say by Now these have been crushed and repressed for next weekend. I'm out.
August 13, 2012, 10:55 pm GMTPeace
pillmunger (member since August 5, 2012)
I had a mate double dunk these e's last weekend, he was spacked out shaking vomiting and rocking back and forth but. I'm not sure if it was because he was asian and had a low tolerance or because he double dunked two pills and he didn't know what was in them. This is just a classic example of why you should test your shit...
August 14, 2012, 9:06 am GMTout4md (member since March 19, 2011)
^^^hahahha
August 15, 2012, 11:35 am GMTsonofsatan (member since April 18, 2012)
Hahaha
August 18, 2012, 7:24 am GMTtriplej (member since November 2, 2011)
my test results cameup as PMA. people also had excessive heating and we had to put 3 people in the shower to cool them down :( :/
August 18, 2012, 5:55 pm GMTserendipity123 (member since April 25, 2010)
@ triple j, thanx for backing me up on these, it's so annoying how people try and say that a dangerous shitty pill is good. PMA can kill there were a couple of people who died about two years ago from PMA I think in SA!
August 19, 2012, 1:58 am GMT@ psycho toldya buddy no MD in these, your credibility has taken a massive nose dive! If a pill doesn't test black it's fuckin shit in my opinion! All these dickheads out there saying otherwise must have hidden agendas or haven't experienced the real thing!!!
If it don't test black take it back!
blanket (member since May 24, 2009)
just putting it out there that these look like they are the exact shape and colour as a certain batch of uk legals supposedly containing 6-apb and methoextamine except they dont have the logo or press
August 19, 2012, 4:02 am GMTchewchewmcgoo (member since January 12, 2010)
Can confirm these are trash. Was told they were the best things since red stars but as always I was skeptical. First time I had them me and my girlfriend both spewed within an hour of having them. And when I ate the other one later that week I had no nausea whatsoever but they are weak crappy pills, dirty too honestly some of the seediest pills I've had since my last lot of pipe bombs. Some people just have no idea about their gear. But everyone if someone tries to sell you these with the md tag on them then can you punch them in the face for me cheers.
August 19, 2012, 10:13 am GMTpsychonaut83 (Moderator)
I don't see how my credibility has gone down. I'm pretty sure I didn't tell people to rush out buy them, I just stated my experience and others on them. None of us had any bad experiences, I wrote what I thought the test results were, I made a mistake, so did you serendipity you said they were flat out K. Me and my friends enjoyed but we had 4 amongst 6 of us. Don't go blasting me sayin I don't know my shit because every other report I have made has infact been spot on and a few of those reports didn't have test results!!!! I never told people to buy them I just wrote the report with my findings and have left it up to everyone else to make their own decisions. And when a pill is dirty it's hard to define. We weren't sick at all. I am going to get around to buying the rest of the testers but I don't like the idea of ordering parafenalia to my house from online I going to try and get them through my local shop. I guess the general consensus is that they aren't good to a lot of people so don't buy them but I thought they were ok. I have no alterior motives behind my reports I do just to let people know what's out there. I now have a source that gets rad quality MDMA crystals that I tested and went blue straight to black with mad bubbling and smoke for dirt cheap so I don't need to by shitty pills anymore. It's too bad you can't post reports on crystals. Haven't seen stud this pure in ages.
August 20, 2012, 12:54 am GMTserendipity123 (member since April 25, 2010)
@ psychonaut sorry buddy may have been a bit bitchy of me to have a go like that, I didn't say they were K I said my test showed a ketamine like substance which is brown, PMA also goes brown so u can see how I may have been mistaken.
August 20, 2012, 4:34 am GMTchewchewmcgoo (member since January 12, 2010)
Is bubbling of a test really a sign of purity?
August 20, 2012, 8:03 am GMTpsychonaut83 (Moderator)
All good serendipity. @chewchewmcgoo. I have heard of MDMA pills bubbling and smoking that have a really high strength. The white speakers that someone did that came from Europe bubbled and smoked which in pills indicates a high dose of MDMA. I tested a tiny crystal and got the same results do I gather it does show the purity of the crystal as a crystal that has been cut may just give the standard MDMA result. When I streaked the test result acros the plate you could see the purple but it was still very very dark. I did it to see if it had been cut with another drug and to make sure the tester was still good ( my test result on these pills just baffled me because my result didn't indicate a pure ketamine or PMA result )
August 20, 2012, 10:00 am GMTvalleyboi89 (member since July 10, 2012)
defiantly no mdma in these as we already know but me and about 15 mates have had these recently and about half vomit and want to go home while the other half love them and enjoy them i personally dont mind them but would chose alot of other drugs over them only problem is there isnt much choice in brissy
August 21, 2012, 12:50 am GMTbuegtoker (member since August 22, 2012)
these are pewtch, a few mates had them at a party on the weekend all except for two people (out of 10) dropped like flies some were throwing up but everyone was feeling very anti social and very much on edge and if i could describe it the only way i can think is that they make you feel very unsafe. DO NOT TOUCH THIS FILTH!
August 22, 2012, 5:28 am GMTbeam2036 (member since August 27, 2012)
these pills are great took 1 on saturday night and was beaming of my face done belive what they say great pill really good
August 27, 2012, 5:32 am GMTpsychonaut83 (Moderator)
I have changed the suspect contents to unknown. There is a lot of speculation about these being PMA but I don't think they are as they didn't give a classic PMA reading, nor did they give a classic Ketamine reading. I think there is a mixture of substances in these. Do be careful taking pills. I strongly suggest that when taking pills (regardless if they are ecstacy tablets or whatever pills) do not drink alcohol. Alcohol can change the chemical structure of a drug when it's been consumed and is just as dangerous taking any drug including MDMA. To the people that think I don't know my shit, go fuck yourself Indi know my shit and probably better than you know yours but I'm here to bitch I'm here to help.
September 4, 2012, 7:21 am GMTserendipity123 (member since April 25, 2010)
@ psychonaut ^^^ totally agree mate and I think it's pretty clear you know your shit! Only thing i disagree with you is that pills should only contain MDA MDMA or MDEA and nothing else.
September 6, 2012, 7:24 am GMTpsychonaut83 (Moderator)
I think it would be better if the cooks lost their egos and stamped the substance on one side and the spread on the other. If you can't source or make MDMA get out of the ecstacy game and leave it to the people that know it. In saying that all the cunts that knew what they were doing are locked up and all these new cunts with an Internet connection are jumping on board. Shit even most of the MDMA cooked here and sold as pure isn't even washed properly and full of impurities. Get it right and cunts will keep coming back. I have been through 3-4 different sources in the last month coz they can't satisfy me. Then again I am the hardest judging critic
September 7, 2012, 6:24 am GMTthemuntedone (member since May 7, 2012)
once again there are two dif batches goin around first lot was def md the second lot are 100% PMA on ezi test mecke kit dark brown instantly! I have consumed with no problem but would advise every one to be careful and not go over board quite good visuals and rush I was quite surprised with the reaction as they smell like good old mdma
September 8, 2012, 3:13 am GMTthemuntedone (member since May 7, 2012)
ok people these r deaf good one is enough funk me mad mad mad pma is good when in the right dose
September 8, 2012, 4:58 pm GMTslizard (member since August 25, 2012)
me and 5 friends took one of these pills each last night, 3 of us spewed and the rest were gagging or felt really sick, really anxious feelings and really bad head aches for about 20 minutes. after that the pill started to kick in everyone was hallucinating one of my mates started bleeding from his noes and eye (we didnt snort them). we took him home cause he was in a bad trip. but after half hour he rang us up to come get him cause he was feeling good :)
September 17, 2012, 11:23 am GMTthese pills are absoulutly shit for the first half hour you feel like your going to die but if you get through that without freezing yourself out to much they end up being pretty fun afterwards
things felt really cool, music sounded insane, and had the need to be touching everyone and loved everyone . pupils on everyone were covering nearly our whole eye colour.
fun pills but I wouldn't do them again as they are definitely not clean pills.